Debias Coarsely, Sample Conditionally: Statistical Downscaling through Optimal Transport and Probabilistic Diffusion Models

We introduce a two-stage probabilistic framework for statistical downscaling using unpaired data. Statistical downscaling seeks a probabilistic map to transform low-resolution data from a biased coarse-grained numerical scheme to high-resolution data that is consistent with a high-fidelity scheme. Our framework tackles the problem by composing two transformations: (i) a debiasing step via an optimal transport map, and (ii) an upsampling step achieved by a probabilistic diffusion model with a posteriori conditional sampling. This approach characterizes a conditional distribution without needing paired data, and faithfully recovers relevant physical statistics from biased samples. We demonstrate the utility of the proposed approach on one- and two-dimensional fluid flow problems, which are representative of the core difficulties present in numerical simulations of weather and climate. Our method produces realistic high-resolution outputs from low-resolution inputs, by upsampling resolutions of 8x and 16x. Moreover, our procedure correctly matches the statistics of physical quantities, even when the low-frequency content of the inputs and outputs do not match, a crucial but difficult-to-satisfy assumption needed by current state-of-the-art alternatives. Code for this work is available at: https://github.com/google-research/swirl-dynamics/tree/main/swirl_dynamics/projects/probabilistic_diffusion.

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Reviewer zUt75/10 · confidence 3/52023-06-28

Summary

This paper proposed a new two-stage method for statistical downscaling by combining a coarse de-biasing step based on optimal transport and a conditional up-sampling step based on a diffusion model.

Strengths

Overall, the paper is very well written and clearly explains the proposed method. The proposed method is divided into two components in a straightforward manner and is justified clearly. Empirical results confirm the applicability of the proposed method and its superior performance compared to several baselines such as cycle-GAN and ViT based super-resolution.

Weaknesses

The main novelty of this work is the introduction of a debiasing step for downscaling applications due to the biased nature of the problem. But Figure 3 shows the debiased result can be quite different from LR data. Because the diffusion model is very dependent on the debiased result, this debiasing step is crucial for the success of accurate downscaling in my opinion. Comparatively, cycle-GAN seems to output a more similar result to the LR data. So it seems necessary to discuss further if this debiasing step is indeed correcting the bias in LR data or introducing additional error/dissimilarity.

Questions

1. Using diffusion models for super-resolution has been widely studied, so it would be helpful to clarify if Section 3.2 is related to any relevant works such as SNIPS and DDRM? If so then please cite them in the paper. 2. What is Constraint RMSE in Table 2? And why is cycle GAN not included in this comparison? From my above comment, such a comparison could be helpful.

Rating

5: Borderline accept: Technically solid paper where reasons to accept outweigh reasons to reject, e.g., limited evaluation. Please use sparingly.

Confidence

3: You are fairly confident in your assessment. It is possible that you did not understand some parts of the submission or that you are unfamiliar with some pieces of related work. Math/other details were not carefully checked.

Soundness

2 fair

Presentation

4 excellent

Contribution

2 fair

Limitations

The authors have addressed limitations of the work adequately. Broader impacts are not applicable for this work.

Reviewer Z19Y8/10 · confidence 5/52023-07-06

Summary

The authors proposed a two-stage probabilistic framework for unpaired data. The problem is factorized into two steps, an optimal transport (OT) based mapping for debiasing and a diffusion-based model for up-sampling. The problem is demonstrated on fluid mechanics datasets representing difficult fluid and weather problems. The predicted results matched the statistics of the physical properties well.

Strengths

The current paper developed a statistical downscaling framework for unpaired data. Tackling this problem is very crucial in learning from multi-scale, multi-fidelity models, especially for large-scale applications like weather/climate modeling. Originality: The idea of correcting the low-frequency bias by an OT map is novel and interesting. Moreover, the OT map is also integrated into the SOTA diffusion model framework. Due to the gradient information in diffusion modeling, a posterior conditioning sampling can further improve the performance at inference time and satisfy the given constraints well. The two-stage factorization is novel since it doesn't require a cycle-consistency type of loss and allows computing the debiasing map in a lower dimensional space. Quality: The numerical results show the developed model has a superior performance compared to the baseline models. The developed model also has the ability to provide reasonable uncertainty estimation. Moreover, comprehensive ablation studies and training details are provided to help evaluate the model. Clarity: The paper is well-written and clearly guides the reviewer to understand it. Math is accurate, and adequate proof and derivation are provided. Significance: The current work tackles the statistical downscaling problem in the weather/climate model. The ability to improve the accuracy of high-resolution forecasts from low-fidelity data has a broader impact in practical applications, like real-time weather forecasting.

Weaknesses

Some additional details and explanations are needed. See the question part.

Questions

1. What is the Reynolds number of the NS equations. 2. Are there any difficulties applying it to real-world turbulence data set? 3. In Figure 2 (a), what does the true trajectory look like? (2) What does the corrected in Figure 2(b) mean? Does it mean OT correction only? Moreover, it is hard to distinguish the OT+cDfn, corrected, true, and UncondDfn. Therefore, it is hard to see the advantage of OT+cDfn from the figure. 4. What is the training cost?

Rating

8: Strong Accept: Technically strong paper, with novel ideas, excellent impact on at least one area, or high-to-excellent impact on multiple areas, with excellent evaluation, resources, and reproducibility, and no unaddressed ethical considerations.

Confidence

5: You are absolutely certain about your assessment. You are very familiar with the related work and checked the math/other details carefully.

Soundness

4 excellent

Presentation

4 excellent

Contribution

4 excellent

Limitations

The computational cost of OT mapping can be further reduced, which leads to a future research direction.

Reviewer wBNS3/10 · confidence 3/52023-07-07

Summary

The authors suggest a simple approach for the problem of statistical downsampling, which is the super-resolution of low-resolution weather grids. The approach involves first "debias-ing" the low-resolution grid via solving an optimal transport problem, then obtaining a high resolution image by solving an image super-resolution problem with a score-based diffusion model.

Strengths

**Novel application of diffusion models.** The authors appear to apply diffusion modeling to a novel problem, even though the application appears to be straightforward. **Promising results.** According to the metrics provided by the authors, the results are promising. (However, I am concerned about the validity of the metrics.)

Weaknesses

**Unclear motivations.** Since this is predominantly a climate modeling paper submitted to a machine learning conference, the posed problem is certainly unfamiliar to me, and probably unfamiliar to most readers. The authors need to clearly describe the motivation of the problem. How can statistical downscaling ever succeed in reproducing the high fidelity, high resolution outputs if the model is so chaotic that the initial conditions do not even matter (Lines 32-34, and Footnote 1, Page 6)? **Validity of "debiasing".** The authors propose to reduce the discrepancy between low-resolution and high-resolution weather grids via optimal transport. This assumes some kind of continuity of the grids, i.e. similar weather systems in the lower dimensional weather grids produce similar simulated trajectories, that also correspond to similar weather systems in the higher dimensional weather grids. But a central assumption that necessitates the practice of using "unpaired" data is the "discontinuity" of the problem. Similar weather systems do not produce similar trajectories (Lines 32-34, and Footnote 1, Page 6). Therefore, is debiasing even possible? Moreover, is optimal transport the correct approach? **Concerns with empirical evaluations.** This paper suggests that the proposed method obtains better performance according to their metrics, which appear to measure the deviation of the modeled statistics with the ground truth statistics. This comparison seems somewhat unfair, since the proposed super-resolution model is trained solely by modeling the statistics of the ground truth data. No other method except for the CycleGAN implementation even attempts to similarly model the ground truth distribution $\mathcal{X}$, and even CycleGAN has auxiliary (i.e., cycle consistency) losses. This is corroborated by Table 1: only CycleGAN approaches the performance of the proposed method. No competing deep learning-based approaches to statistical downsampling are used in the comparison. Moreover, the metrics used for evaluation differ greatly from [1], which appears to be a well-cited paper in deep learning-based statistical downsampling. **Clarity in writing and formatting.** There are multiple places where the writing quality affects the readability of the text. 5: "tandeming" Tandem is not a verb and feels awkward here, consider using a different word? 14-16: "Moreover, our procedure correctly matches the statistics of physical quantities, even when the low-frequency content of the inputs and outputs do not match, a crucial but difficult-to-satisfy assumption needed by current state-of-the-art alternatives." What does this sentence mean?
 21-22: "Consequentially, accurate predictions ... need to be *downscaled* from *coarser lower-resolution* models' outputs." (*Emphasis* mine.) Since this paper is submitted to a machine learning conference, where topics in computer vision are much more common than those in climate modeling, the authors need to clearly delineate where *downscaling* corresponds to statistical downscaling in the climate modeling sense, versus downscaling in the computer vision sense, especially when their meanings are completely reversed. I spent a lot of time trying to parse this sentence. Figure 1 and its caption is unclear. Y' is mentioned here but it is not explained until Section 3. Citation links do not work. [1] DeepSD: Generating High Resolution Climate Change Projections through Single Image Super-Resolution. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.03126.pdf

Questions

See "Weaknesses" section.

Rating

3: Reject: For instance, a paper with technical flaws, weak evaluation, inadequate reproducibility and incompletely addressed ethical considerations.

Confidence

3: You are fairly confident in your assessment. It is possible that you did not understand some parts of the submission or that you are unfamiliar with some pieces of related work. Math/other details were not carefully checked.

Soundness

2 fair

Presentation

2 fair

Contribution

2 fair

Limitations

See "Weaknesses" section.

Reviewer fyEE8/10 · confidence 3/52023-07-26

Summary

This work introduces a new framework to tackle statistical downscaling, a climate science equivalent of super-resolution, in two steps: The first step removes the bias while staying at low resolution with an optimal transport method and the second step increases the spatial resolution with a diffusion-based model. The performance of the method is shown on two fluid-dynamics datasets: 2d Navier-Stokes and 1d Kuramoto-Sivanshinski equation. The proposed method outperforms baselines such as CycleGAN and ViT on all suggested metrics.

Strengths

Originality: This work develops a new method to tackle statistical downscaling Quality: Well written and well setup experiments. Clarity: Good motivation and explanation for the two-step approach tackling this problem. Significance: This work addresses an important and impactful problem and has high practical societal relevance. Especially, large upsampling factors like used here make the problem hard to solve and motivate the need for advanced methods like the one proposed here. The work addresses a probabilistic formulation of statistical downscaling, which is still under-researched.

Weaknesses

This is a great paper, but some weaknesses are: - The metrics used are not common in statistical downscaling. Very common metric that could be included is e.g. Continuous Rank Probability Score, see e.g. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2022MS003120 for more commonly used climate downscaling metrics - No comparison with existing work like ClimAlign (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2008.04679.pdf), BCSD - References to some relevant works are missing: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.16116.pdf (stat. downscaling using diffusion models) - The work is motivated by climate/weather modeling but doesn’t include real climate/weather datasets. There are datasets available that include to different simulations at lower and higher resolution. It would be great to see how this method performs on real-world data. Datasets that could be used are NorESM data at different resolution or WRF simulations. Or learning the mapping from ERA-interim (https://climatedataguide.ucar.edu/climate-data/era-interim) to WRF (https://rda.ucar.edu/datasets/ds612.0/#!) data, like done in the ClimAlign work.

Questions

- It would be great to motivate the selection of metrics more and explain why other, more common metric like CRPS are not used here - A discussion at the beginning of the paper talking about different kinds of statistical downscaling setups such as perfect prognogsis (see e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/statistical-downscaling-and-bias-correction-for-climate-research/4ED479BAA8309C7ECBE6136236E3960F) - To be applied in climate modeling it is also relevant to know the inference runtime (not only training time). References: I would suggest including more of existing climate super-res/statistical downscaling work. A extensive collection of DL for statistical downscaling literature can be found here: https://github.com/paulaharder/deep-downscaling-overview Minor: Why are don't the first two rows in Table 2 have the best scores in bold? Typos: Figure 1 caption: "an invertible" instead of "a invertible" Line 52: "an unknown" instead of "a unknown" Line 129: "a structured" instead of "an structured" Line 141: "an unconditional" instead of "a unconditional" Figure 2 caption: "and and" typo Line 309: "s" missing of "sample"

Rating

8: Strong Accept: Technically strong paper, with novel ideas, excellent impact on at least one area, or high-to-excellent impact on multiple areas, with excellent evaluation, resources, and reproducibility, and no unaddressed ethical considerations.

Confidence

3: You are fairly confident in your assessment. It is possible that you did not understand some parts of the submission or that you are unfamiliar with some pieces of related work. Math/other details were not carefully checked.

Soundness

4 excellent

Presentation

4 excellent

Contribution

4 excellent

Limitations

I think the limitations of this work could be made clearer. Either in an additional limitations section or in the conclusion should be a mention that the method has only been applied to an idealized datasets and not a real climate model dataset. Also, it should be mentioned that this work tackles a specific subfield of statistical downscaling and other subfields, eg. perfect prognosis where predictors differ

Reviewer zUt72023-08-14

Thank the authors for their detailed response. Like Reviewer wBNS, my main concern is still the optimal transport step of the proposed method. While I understand in theory the points raised in the response ('feature, not a bug'; 'visual/pixel-based similarity' might not be preferred), it seems that these arguments are weak and not supported by concrete evidence. Indeed, while I agree the optimal transport map does transport between the biased and debiased manifolds, it is not clear to me if the learned map is indeed close to 'optimal'. It appears that the added metrics do not reflect this aspect. However, please feel free to reply and correct any points I made.

Authorsrebuttal2023-08-15

Thank you for your response. First, we would like to clarify the nomenclature “optimal” in this case. The map is optimal in the sense that it satisfies optimality conditions of a minimization problem averaged upon the full distribution, subject to the hard constraints that the marginals are respected. In particular, preserving these constraints is fundamental to correcting statistical biases, but it makes the problem much harder. Furthermore, the map presented here is an approximation via an entropic regularization, which renders the optimization problem tractable. In our formulation, OT allows us to find maps directly between the Y and Y’ spaces, when the biased and unbiased distributions are only prescribed using samples. On the other hand, other transport maps (which are not based on optimality conditions) often need to specify an intermediate distribution (e.g., a standard Gaussian latent space), which results in complex maps that need to be approximated when the distributions on Y and Y’ are highly non Gaussian even if they are similar. Second, we want to point out that Table 1 in our main text shows that OT effectively corrects statistical biases in the low-resolution data with respect to various metrics. As additional evidence to support the OT-based debiasing map outperforms the others, we have downsampled the BCSD, cycGAN and ClimAlign baselines to the low resolution space so they can be directly compared to the output of the OT component in our method. We have computed additional distribution metrics (covariance error, uMELR, wMELR, MMD) for these baselines and attached the resulting metrics in the table below. It is clear that OT yields superior performance in all of these metrics. As mentioned in our first response, this comes at the “cost” of pixel-wise similarity to some degree, which we quantified through the pointwise symmetric mean absolute percentage error (sMAPE) metric in the attached table (measures how much the explicit/implicit debiasing moves the low resolution samples on average by computing the relative $\ell^1$ distance between the input low-resolution sample $y$ and its debiased output for each method). We observe that OT does not move significantly more than other baselines (except for BCSD, which in fact solves the OT problem independently at each pixel, but does not respect pixel correlations). We hope this addresses your concern sufficiently well. | | OT | BCSD | cycGAN | ClimAlign | |--------------|------|------|--------|-----------| | 8xdownscale | | | | | | cov | 0.08 | 0.31 | 0.16 | 2.21 | | uMELR | 0.01 | 0.95 | 0.08 | 0.53 | | wMELR | 0.03 | 0.13 | 0.04 | 0.54 | | MMD | 0.04 | 0.06 | 0.06 | 0.61 | | sMAPE | 0.53 | 0.25 | 0.41 | 0.74 | | 16xdownscale | | | | | | cov | 0.08 | 0.35 | 0.33 | 2.50 | | uMELR | 0.02 | 0.63 | 0.34 | 0.67 | | wMELR | 0.03 | 0.16 | 0.15 | 0.58 | | MMD | 0.03 | 0.34 | 0.09 | 0.55 | | sMAPE | 0.54 | 0.36 | 0.63 | 0.76 |

Authorsrebuttal2023-08-18

Thank you and rebuttal feedback.

We would like to thank again the reviewers for their time and reviews. They have been helpful to improve and refine the manuscript. Given that the discussion period is finishing soon, we are eager to hear any further comments, including feedback on the rebuttal,

Reviewer Z19Y2023-08-19

Reviewer response

Thanks for the author’s detailed response and additional baselines and metrics results. After reading other reviews, I find the concerns are addressed satisfactorily by the elaboration and the empirical evaluation. The motivation is elaborated, and I was convinced that dealing with unpaired data is practical and challenging in climate systems. And the OT is a good approach to achieve debiasing and map data between different manifolds. The OT+diffusion can improve the sample quality compared with diffusion only. The strong empirical evidence showed that the proposed method outperforms all the baselines for versatile metrics. I believe it is a solid work and can bring insights into the ML+climate science community. Overall, I’d be happy to recommend a strong acceptance.

Reviewer wBNS2023-08-20

Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate work the authors put into elucidating their points, and addressing my comments. However, I still lack some clarity on the two of the main concerns I initially raised in the review. 1) **Validity of debiasing**: In the rebuttal, the authors justify debiasing via a discussion on the stationary systems of weather and climate systems. I have trouble understanding this framework involving stationary distributions, as it seems ill-fit for describing weather and climate systems. Stationary systems are time-invariant. Aren't weather systems inherently variant over time (which is why predicting them at future times are of interest)? At any rate, optimal transport appears to me to still pose a strong assumption on the structure of the weather systems, which have highly "discontinuous" dynamics with respect to their initial state: similar weather systems do not produce similar trajectories (Lines 32-34, and Footnote 1, Page 6). Theoretically, why should optimal transport provide the correct "debiasing" solution? 2) **Metrics**: I could not find any discussion on most of the concerns I raised, namely this part: > This comparison seems somewhat unfair, since the proposed super-resolution model is trained solely by modeling the statistics of the ground truth data. No other method except for the CycleGAN implementation even attempts to similarly model the ground truth distribution , and even CycleGAN has auxiliary (i.e., cycle consistency) losses. This is corroborated by Table 1: only CycleGAN approaches the performance of the proposed method. No competing deep learning-based approaches to statistical downsampling are used in the comparison. Additionally, the authors mention that further discussion is provided here: > Please see our general response and response to reviewer wBNS. I am reviewer wBNS. I assume the authors mean reviewer zUt7? I still could not find the discussion on the above statement. For these reasons, I am still hesitant to raise my score.

Authorsrebuttal2023-08-20

first part of the comment

Thank you for reiterating your concerns and giving us the opportunity to clarify further. Please find our point-by-point response below. > Aren't weather systems inherently variant over time (which is why predicting them at future times are of interest)? The systems considered in the current work are regarded as being close to an [ergodic dynamical system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergodicity) which admits a stationary distribution that can be sampled by evolving the system in time (a close analogy would be some Markov chains having a invariant distribution). While over a few steps the system is time-variant as its state changes, the set of all states visited by the system over a long horizon is not. Perhaps the simplest example to showcase these properties (as mentioned in our previous response) is the Lorentz system, which is a simplified mathematical model for atmospheric convection. The system is non-stationary in time (it relies on solving a time-dependent ODE), but if you sample snapshots (without the time-stamp) of a trajectory (or set of trajectories) for a long enough time, the samples will follow a given invariant distribution, which is often referred to as the Lorenz butterfly. Climate systems (not weather, which is intrinsically transient) fall into this category approximately. One needs to sample from really long time spans (at least 10s of years in real time) to have a workable coverage of the underlying distribution. In our work, we are concerned with two such stationary distributions - one ground truth with samples from the true system evolutions and the other consisting of samples from an approximation model (i.e. low-order PDE solver) with errors. We are not sure if we were able to answer your question. If you feel that our response was not clear or if we missed the point of your question, would you be able to rephrase your question? We would be glad to answer it as soon as we can. > At any rate, optimal transport appears to me to still pose a strong assumption on the structure of the weather systems, which have highly "discontinuous" dynamics with respect to their initial state: similar weather systems do not produce similar trajectories (Lines 32-34, and Footnote 1, Page 6). The "discontinuous"/chaotic property mentioned highlights the difficulty of the “paired data” setup - even if there is correspondence in the initial conditions (from the two distributions considered): this correspondence will eventually get lost over time. This is why in our view learning a sample-to-sample mapping **paired via time** is not feasible. We adopt the “unpaired” data setup and instead attempt to learn the many-sample-to-many-sample (i.e. distributional) mapping. As stressed above, a critical assumption is that the system admits a stationary distribution and is sufficiently sampled. We are exploiting this particular property to re-establish the “pairedness” in the data via OT. > Theoretically, why should optimal transport provide the correct "debiasing" solution? The solution to the distribution mapping problem is not unique. OT treats the matching of the distributions as a constraint and additionally imposes a “cost” associated with the map and explicitly minimizes it. This “cost” is a measure of the deviation of $T(x)$, the map applied to $x$, from its input $x$. Intuitively, this means that we want the transport map to move the states **as little as possible** - in other words, the mapped state should still “look like” the original in some sense (here by minimizing the $L^2$ norm). We choose this cost to re-establish the paired relationship in the data. It is by no means the only constraint one can impose (e.g. cycGAN consistency enforces cycle consistency between the transports, while ClimAlign imposes the invertibility of the transport), but we believe it is the most intuitively sensible way. In order to showcase this issue we have added a table in the [response](https://openreview.net/forum?id=5NxJuc0T1P&noteId=vufkqwLpfq) to reviewer zUt7. The table provides a comparison of the deviation and matching of the distributions for the distribution mapping method benchmarked, under as many applicable metrics as we can think of. Compared to the other baselines considered, OT is able to best match the marginals, i.e., mapping one distribution to another, while having a relatively small deviation from the input. We would be happy to add any other applicable metric that you would like us to include, to the final manuscript.

Authorsrebuttal2023-08-20

second part of the comment

> No other method except for the CycleGAN implementation even attempts to similarly model the ground truth distribution We would like to point out that besides CycleGAN the two additional baselines that we added during rebuttal are both of this nature. BCSD [1] attempts to match the ground truth distribution independently at the pixel level, and it is the most popular method of debiasing in the weather and climate community, as mentioned by reviewer fyEE. ClimAlign [2] is based on constructing a normalizing flow between the two distributions directly. > No competing deep learning-based approaches to statistical downsampling are used in the comparison. As mentioned above, among all the benchmarked methods, we have two deep-learning based approaches learning the distributions directly, namely CycleGAN and ClimAlign (whose performance seriously degrades as we increase the downscaling-factor). Thus, we believe this is a fair comparison – please feel free to suggest any other applicable methods and we would be happy to add them into the revised version. Please note that we are *not* arguing which deep learning methods are the best. We are proposing that instead of simply upsampling the low-resolution inputs using a super-resolution method, debiasing in a separate stage is a useful approach. > Please see our general response and response to reviewer wBNS. I am reviewer wBNS. I assume the authors mean reviewer zUt7? We apologize for the confusion. Please ignore this reference and we hope our response above addresses your concerns. **References: ** [1] Andrew W. Wood, Edwin P. Maurer, Arun Kumar, and Dennis P. Lettenmaier. Long-range experimental hydrologic forecasting for the eastern United States, Climate and Dynamics 2002. [2] Brian Groenke, Luke Madaus, and Claire Monteleoni. ClimAlign: Unsupervised statistical downscaling of climate variables via normalizing flows, CI2020: Proceedings of the 10th International Conference on Climate Informatics, 2020.

Authorsrebuttal2023-08-20

extra response

Given that we are not sure if we answered the question appropriately, we would like to comment a bit further. > Aren't weather systems inherently variant over time (which is why predicting them at future times are of interest)? In particular, we would like to clarify again that our work do not **forecast**. Instead we debias and up-sample (or super-resolve) a stationary distribution, which is captured in a relatively short period of time (in contrast to centuries where external forcing such as CO2 could change underlying stationary distribution). In their comment, we believe the reviewer may be asking about "predictability" where weather/climate eventually drifts, characterized by a slow moving climatological distribution (often modeled as a stationary distribution that **slowly** drifts), versus whether we can recover high-resolution snapshots of states, from lower resolution weather and climate simulation. As mentioned above, we study the latter problem. In this vein, we argue the system admits an approximate (in our rebuttal) stationary distribution, namely, the trajectories, low- or high-resolutions, are sampled from a given distribution (not a distribution moving non-stationarily). In particular, we are not seeking to use low-res climate data at time period $i$, to forecast high-res climate data at future time period $j$. Instead, we seek to use low-res climate data at time period $i$ to create high-res climate data at the same time-period $i$. We point out that the main plausible reason for the slow non-stationarity of climate models come from time-dependent external forcing (such as CO2 change due to anthropogenic activities) that slowly shifts the distribution. But in our work, we do not consider this case, instead we focus on relatively shorter times. > At any rate, optimal transport appears to me to still pose a strong assumption on the structure of the weather systems, which have highly "discontinuous" dynamics with respect to their initial state: similar weather systems do not produce similar trajectories (Lines 32-34, and Footnote 1, Page 6). "discontinuous dynamics": we think the reviewer might be thinking of climate going through a sudden change --- but that is not what we study. For a given time period $i$, we do assume the trajectories form a predictable distribution -- that is the basis of ensemble forecasts in weather and climate community in the last few decades. Those trajectories cannot be precisely aligned (unless the time period is very small) due to the chaotic behavior of the dynamics. But the distance between two trajectories (and they corresponding snapshots) themselves is not an especially relevant quantity (except being two samples from a distribution). We hope that we have answered your concerns.

Program Chairsdecision2023-09-21

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