Thank you for your prompt and insightful feedback! It significantly contributes to the improvement of our paper. We have provided responses and clarifications to your comments below:
> "DiffPure also seems to have tuning parameters. Thus I believe it is more appropriate to compare with DiffPure by plotting the quality-detectability tradeoff just as what you did to other attacks. I would ask to put this comparison in the same quality-detectability plots."
We appreciate your suggestion. We have now obtained all the results for DiffPure. In summary, DiffPure performs comparably to Regen-Diff, albeit with a slightly worse quality-detectability tradeoff. Due to the inability to edit the rebuttal PDF, we will include this comparison in the revised paper. Additionally, we offer the following analysis:
- Mathematically, DiffPure and Regen-Diff employ the same method, adding noise to samples via the forward process with a small diffusion timestep, and then solving the reverse VP-SDE to recover clean samples.
- DiffPure, or [1]'s implementation, utilizes the 256x256 diffusion (unconditional) checkpoint from the guided-diffusion library [2] pretrained on ImageNet data. In contrast, we use the stable-diffusion-2-1 latent diffusion model from Stable Diffusion, pretrained on the LAION-5B dataset, which offers superior generation quality. Our implementation, as demonstrated in the Supplementary Material, supports many other latent diffusion models.
> "If I remember correctly, you have tried to emphasized two things in your original paper: (1) the proposed regeneration attack is very effective and (2) the regeneration attack powered by diffusion model outperforms the others. However, based on your updated quality-detectability tradeoff, I see that regeneration powered by VAE seems to be the best performing one. Is this understanding correct? If so, I would ask the authors to adjust their related comments/conclusions in the paper accordingly."
Thank you for your feedback! For DctDwtSvd, RivaGAN, and SSL watermarks, Regen-VAE achieves the best Pareto front of quality and attack detectability. Regen-Diff performs best against Stable Signature and shows strong results across all scenarios. It also offers ease of use and achieves good attacking results with different noise levels. We will adjust our related comments and conclusions in the revised paper accordingly.
> "I hope to see some discussion related on how the "removability" and "cost to remove" trade-off can potentially imply for practical scenarios. For example, how this result support/concerns the application of watermark (copyright protection, preventing image misuse, etc); possible directions to counteract your finding if watermark is not safe let's say; or any idea for the future design of practical watermarks that you can suggest."
We appreciate your suggestions and feedback! In the revised paper, we will discuss how the "removability" and "cost to remove" trade-off can potentially apply to practical scenarios. For example, from the watermark addition side, if they can increase the L2 distance without significantly altering image perception quality, it could be practical. Researchers can use regeneration as an attacking baseline; if all attacked images have lower quality than a set threshold, the watermark can be deemed sufficient. Overall, we advocate for using semantic watermarks. As stated in response to reviewer n9vc, we are exploring methods to enhance the robustness of post-hoc watermarking. One promising approach involves using powerful image editing techniques to add or remove unimportant subjects or alter textures. These modifications are visible but appear as normal image content without the watermark key.
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Thank you again for your feedback and prompt response. We hope these additional results address your concerns.
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[1] Saberi et al. "Robustness of AI-Image Detectors: Fundamental Limits and Practical Attacks." ICLR 2024.
[2] https://github.com/openai/guided-diffusion