Thanks for your reply! We would like to note that our work is not about **self** KD, but in general studying how to synthesize the best data from a strong model, which is like distilling from a stronger teacher model to student models, as we experimented with four different student models in the paper with the same teacher model. This setting aligns with many existing works [1,2,3,4,5,6,7], yet we replace their synthesis agent (GPT-4/3.5) with an open-weight model.
Regarding the specific concern raised about using DeepSeekMath-7B-Base as the student model, this configuration is not strictly a self-KD setting either, because DeepSeekMath-7B-RL undergoes significant training with SFT+RL from DeepSeekMath-7B-Base on potentially large-scale human data, positioning it more akin to a stronger teacher -> student distillation scenario, therefore, it is not surprising that the student is not significantly better than the stronger teacher, just as the previous works that distill from GPT-4 cannot surpass GPT-4. The self-KD case as in existing works [8,9,10,11] should correspond to `synthesizing from DeepSeekMath-7B-Base and training DeepSeekMath-7B-Base`, or `synthesizing from DeepSeekMath-7B-RL and training DeepSeekMath-7B-RL`. As the reviewer mentioned in the original review, we agree that these self-KD settings are reasonable and meaningful, we didn't adopt this setting simply because self-KD is not the focus of this paper, just as previous works that distill from GPT-4/3.5 [1,2,3,4,5,6,7] never explore the self-KD experiments with other synthesis agents.
(A minor correction: the cited “86.7 GSM8K / 58.8 MATH” results by the reviewer is the tool-integrated results that rely on external tools and are not comparable, their CoT results are 88.2 GSM8K / 51.7 MATH).
> the SFT model is comparable or even worse than the original DeepSeek-RL. So why not directly use the open-sourced DeepSeek-RL?
High-quality synthetic data is of great values for the developers and open-source community, various developers may rely on those data to help strengthen their own models. **Our primary goal is not to create a math model for direct use, but to develop better data synthesis methods** — the roles of data synthesis and the synthetic data are not replaceable by “directly use the open-sourced DeepSeek-RL”, for example, imagine someone wants to boost the math ability of Mistral-7B during post-training while still keeping it as a generic model, they can utilize our approach to synthesize data from another math-specific model, and incorporate the data together with other SFT data as commonly practiced nowadays, but directly using DeepSeek-RL does not fulfill the goal.
As the reviewer mentioned above, self-KD is one way to synthesize data for self-improvement, yet distilling from other models is very common as well, and our paper focuses on the later where student models do not need to surpass the teacher.
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