> (a) Regarding time series, I agree versatility is a strength, but the reason for studying time-series OOD generalization needs to be motivated better other than it is under studied. There is no clear reasoning for why this method is suitable for time series, which have their own sets of challenges and problems from noisy data, rate variation, length variation etc. different from images/text problems.
**Reply to (a)** Thank you for your insightful comments. We agree that time series data presents unique challenges, such as noise, rate variation, and length variation. This type of data is crucial in many real-world applications, including healthcare, sports training, and abnormal behavior detection. Despite its significance, OOD generalization in time series has been relatively under-explored. To fill this gap, we have introduced the TTSO framework, which is **theoretically grounded** and specifically designed to tackle both sample-level and group-level uncertainties inherent in time series data. The novelty of our approach lies in how it models these uncertainties under a **tri-level learning** framework, providing a robust solution for time series OOD generalization.
Thank you for agreeing that time series OOD generalization problem is under-explored and this constitutes a motivation of our study. Please note that imposing strong assumptions on time series data is impractical and will inevitably compromise the effectiveness of the proposed method since time series data comes in diverse formats and properties, such as periodic versus non-periodic patterns, regular versus irregular sampling, and stationary versus non-stationary behavior etc. Developing a general OOD generalization framework for time series data is already a significant challenge in itself. Finally, as previously stated, our primary research area is time series learning. Concentrating on the time series OOD generalization allows us to delve deeply into this specific problem and conduct thorough analysis and experiments.
While temporal order is an inherent characteristic of all time series data, the presence of other properties—such as seasonality, trends, and irregular sampling—is not universal. These characteristics vary depending on the specific context and nature of the time series. For instance, some time series may exhibit pronounced seasonal patterns or trends, while others may be stationary with no significant autocorrelation. The diverse formats and characteristics of time series data motivate us to develop a versatile and flexible framework (TTSO) that can effectively address these variations. In summary, TTSO is particularly well-suited for time series data due to its ability to accommodate the diverse and variable properties inherent in such data.
> (b) The fact that LLMs are optional cannot be an argument when it is in the title of the paper -- it is indeed a strength that LLMs can be incorporated, but this is not motivated sufficiently enough. The performance does not show a clear benefit, and the new results seem to further make this a bit muddled since we see larger models doing poorer than smaller ones, which is pretty much counter to current intuition on scaling LLMs.
**Reply to (b)** Thank you for your constructive suggestion. Larger models are generally expected to perform better due to their enhanced capacity to capture complex patterns, which aligns with the established scaling laws observed in natural language models. OpenAI's research on scaling laws[1] provides substantial evidence that, within the domain of **natural language**, larger models tend to exhibit better performance when scaled **appropriately** in terms of model size, dataset size, and computational resources.
However, please note that these scaling laws are not **universally applicable** across all domains. In the context of time series data, the applicability of scaling laws remains an **open question**. The characteristics of time series data differ significantly from those in natural language, and there is **no theoretical guarantee** that scaling laws will always hold in this domain. This uncertainty highlights a key area for future research, as understanding whether and how scaling laws apply to time series data could yield valuable insights.
As we all agree that the TTSO framework is versatile and while it has been thoroughly studied in this paper for time series data, the proposed framework has the potential to be applied to other types of data beyond time series. In summary, our work opens up new avenues for OOD generalization through the introduction of a tri-level optimization framework. We hope that this innovative approach will inspire further research and development in the area of OOD generalization.
Moreover, if the inclusion of LLMs in the title of the paper is a concern, we are open to considering its removal, if allowed. We appreciate your feedback on this matter.