Thanks very much for your further comments. We will first reply to Q2 and then Q1.
> Q2: The authors said in the A2 response above that DEQ with 95% TPT still has clear advantages in terms of NC values for imbalanced cases compared to the explicit counterpart with 100% TPT. What does this mean? Can the authors point me to experiments where they trained the explicit counterpart to 100% training accuracy? (Also please note that it is indeed possible to reach TPT with explicit networks under imbalanced conditions. (See Table 3 in [2]).
A2: Thanks for your comments. Of course, we agree that explicit neural networks say ResNet, can reach TPT under imbalanced cases. In our previous manuscript, we apply the same training setting (100 epochs) on both the implicit DEQ and explicit ResNet for a fair comparison.
We conducted experiments that trained the explicit ResNet until 100 training accuracy, i.e. TPT. In the following table, we present the NC values of ResNet (100 epochs), ResNet (100% training accuracy, i.e. TPT), and DEQ (100 epochs) respectively. The parameters are set as $K_A = K_B = 5$ and $R = 100$.
| | ResNet (100 epochs) | ResNet (100% training accuracy, i.e. TPT) | DEQ (100 epochs) |
|:---:|:-------:|:-----:|:-----:|
| NC1 | 0.0093 | 0.0045 | 0.0009 |
| NC2 | 0.7980 | 0.7224 | 0.5312 |
| NC3 | 0.7551 | 0.7365 | 0.5743 |
Even though ResNet achieves 100% training accuracy, and DEQ (100 epochs) does not fully reach TPT (about 95% training accuracy), DEQ still shows a clear advantage compared to its ResNet in terms of NC values. Note that DEQ can be improved with some techniques as mentioned in [3,4] and may achieve TPT and enjoy even better NC performance; but this is out of our scope. We believe our experiment results are sufficient to show DEQ's advantage compared to its explicit counterpart. We will add these results and analyses in our final version.
> Q1: I understand that training DEQ comes with instabilities and it is difficult to achieve TPT. However, I want to clearly emphasize that the NC metrics can be reduced even before reaching TPT (see Figure 6 in [1] ). However, the validity of neural collapse only comes into play once the network has interpolated the training data. So claiming that DEQ is better than its explicit counterpart (in terms of test performance) when the TPT conditions haven't been reached is not well justified in this context.
A1: Thanks for pointing out this issue. We found that the results in [1] only show performance under balanced cases, leaving it uncertain whether the results still hold under imbalanced cases.
After adding the above experiment results in A2, we believe DEQ's advantage can be verified. Besides, DEQ can be applied with some advanced techniques like monotone operators for more stable results, and some works [2-4] have already demonstrated that its accuracy can surpass traditional Explicit NN, with 100% training accuracy. But this is out of the scope of this paper. Since DEQ shares the same inner structure as standard neural networks, with the only difference being its solution methods, we have reasons to believe that if ResNet continues to improve, DEQ could also improve alongside it.
Thank you again for pointing out these issues that help improve our paper quality. We hope that you can reconsider your score.
Ref:
[1] Prevalence of neural collapse during the terminal phase of deep learning training, PNAS.
[2] Deep Equilibrium Models, NeurIPS 2019.
[3] Monotone operator equilibrium networks, NeurIPS 2020.
[4] Multiscale Deep Equilibrium Models, NeurIPS 2020.